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Defamation law: a brief outline of burdens of pleading and proof

If you're not interested in the word "jurisdiction," please skip this.

I don't imagine most people on this forum are dying to read a mini-treatise on the variety of meanings of the word "jurisdiction," but it might be useful here to mention that a wide range of issues can arise under the heading "jurisdiction," and many of these issues have little or nothing to do with ordinary uses of the word.

In popular speech, the word "jurisdiction" often centers on territory or geography (bailiwick, turf).
In law, too, territorial aspects of jurisdiction can sometimes be important, but the most fundamental jurisdictional issues go beyond issues relating to location or to the related notion of venue.

The jurisdictional authority of any court or judicial system (and the legitimacy of a court) is limited by the accepted role of the judiciary and/or by constitutional provisions that create the judiciary and define its possible powers and duties. Jurisdiction is also limited by specific laws restricting the court's powers. A basic principle is that unauthorized power is illegitimate, and that it would be a grossly dictatorial violation of the entire legal order if a court were to exercise power (jurisdiction) beyond its authority.

For example, the federal courts in the United States are generally limited in their powers and are authorized to hear only cases and controversies that arise under federal law, or that involve diversity of citizenship of the parties in matters where the amount in controversy is above a certain dollar threshold. Sometimes this is referred to as "subject matter jurisdiction." (A different sense of "subject matter jurisdiction" concerns whether it is proper for a court to exercise jurisdiction over a particular legal matter, even assuming the court is generally authorized to hear the type of subject.)
If a court lacks subject matter jurisdiction, the court must dismiss a matter. (Unfortunately, sometimes a plaintiff--in a civil rights case, for example--will be denied a day in federal court in a way that strikes me personally as highly unjust or that seems like a judicial cop-out, but I still value the broader principle that unlimited power is antithetical to liberty.)

There are many doctrines in the federal courts that tend to restrict the exercise of jurisdiction. For example, the "political question" doctrine is often invoked when the courts decline to hear a matter they feel is more properly addressed by the executive and/or legislative branches. Sometimes cases are dismissed on grounds of "failure to exhaust remedies" available in other tribunals, agencies, or organizations. These are only a few of the many doctrines that limit federal court jurisdiction.

Another set of jurisdictional issues concerns whether a court has "personal jurisdiction" over a defendant. Has the defendant been properly served with process and summoned to court? Is the defendant amenable to suit in the particular court? Have the due process requirements of notice and a opportunity to be heard been met? etc.

I offer this as a bit of background to give an idea that the notion of "jurisdiction" is not simple.
I have found it noteworthy that while the US Constitution does not provide the US Supreme Court Jurisdiction to declare State Laws Unconstitutional, conservative Jurists ignore it when proclaiming the Sanctity of acting in according with the Framer's intent.
The guy is a legitimate law professor, Jadubovic. As you say I don't get the impression that he has an agenda, which imo is the relevant consideration. To dismiss what he says because of who sponsors the podcast he says it on just seems like more of the team Magnus vs team Hans bs that you are interested in moving beyond.

@Lachesis he has practiced law, though, and as a professor of Constitutional Law he must have some familiarity with the line of Supreme court cases on the issue. Like Jadubovic he seems to be giving an objective view of the case. conclusion of both seems to be that Hans has an uphill battle--correct me if I'm wrong. Do you have links to practicing attorneys in defamation law who argue that Hans has a strong case? I mean besides Niemann's attorneys. And while I'm on that subject, does anybody know much about the firm? I'm interested in information on them, and on the lawyer who wrote the pleadings.
@Lachesis the whole array of arguments about what the framers would have intended to do in the modern world are often heavily influenced by political orientation, kind of like the religious arguments about God's intent. Admittedly we have more recent source material about that of the framers. I would like for Congress to reinsert itself into the whole political process of starting wars, though.
pretzelattack1, my point is the actual us constitution does not authorize the us supreme court to declare state law unconstitutional . It is hypocritical for some to act as if the document does. In other words, when the us supreme court rules that a state law violates the constitution, it is ironic that it does not specifically authorize them to do so.
@Lachesis

yeah, I think this goes back to Marbury vs Madison, an issue since at least the early 1800's. They were kind of making it up as they went along, and now it's precedent. what powers does the Sup Ct actually have? which should it have? the constitution does not address a lot of things, which brings us to the debate about a living constitution vs something like a religious text. my point about the congressional role in war making is that that is something the Constitution does address, and it's not being followed either. the supreme court just likes to pass it off as a political question. but if the court doesn't enforce the constitution, what is its role?
@Nomoreusernames said in #11:
> ....that this would be considered such a statement of fact by the court? I hope this question is in the expected spirit, and thank you greatly for taking the time to educate people on this forum.

TLDR Begin:

Long story short, I don't think it was a formal accusation.

He was defensively/reactively explaining his own actions and reasons for withdrawing when he his statements.
He was not offensively/actively attacking Hans.

...TLDR End.

I think that if Magnus had thrown the board, stood up, and yelled, "I believe you just cheated!" before withdrawing from the tournament, I think that might be a valid and formal accusation.

However, Magnus seems to have left on his own behalf due to being alarmed and suspicious.

His initial statement as to his withdrawal was very clearly stating: "I can't explain why I left that tournament without simultaneously accusing Hans. I don't want to make any false accusations, and so I am bound to say nothing at all."

Then, after an immense amount of pressure from key figures demanding an explanation from him, he finally explained his reasons for suspicions, and added that Hans was not forthcoming and lied about the degree and frequency of his cheating, and also explained that cheating is horrible for the game.
@Onyx_Chess said in #27:
> TLDR Begin:
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> Long story short, I don't think it was a formal accusation.
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> He was defensively/reactively explaining his own actions and reasons for withdrawing when he his statements.
> He was not offensively/actively attacking Hans.
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> ...TLDR End.
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> I think that if Magnus had thrown the board, stood up, and yelled, "I believe you just cheated!" before withdrawing from the tournament, I think that might be a valid and formal accusation.
>
> However, Magnus seems to have left on his own behalf due to being alarmed and suspicious.
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> His initial statement as to his withdrawal was very clearly stating: "I can't explain why I left that tournament without simultaneously accusing Hans. I don't want to make any false accusations, and so I am bound to say nothing at all."
>
> Then, after an immense amount of pressure from key figures demanding an explanation from him, he finally explained his reasons for suspicions, and added that Hans was not forthcoming and lied about the degree and frequency of his cheating, and also explained that cheating is horrible for the game.

But all of that went out the window once he released his public statement. Unfortunately he succumbed to pressure from the community demanding he make one. Hans on the other hand stayed silent and did not give in. He literally waited for Magnus to come out and say it publicly, for chess.com to make their report. And now after going on Lex Friedman Nakamura might of got himself in hot water. Its almost like a movie.
For an English equivalent in terms of entertainment factor, I highly recommend the Wagatha Christie defamation trial between the wives of two top English footballers.

Rebekah Vardy is the wife of Premier League footballer Jamie Vardy and Colleen Rooney of ex Premier League star Wayne Rooney. Both men are former England players.

Footballers’ wives are referred to as WAGs by the press (‘wives and girlfriends’). Rebekah V has a much lower celebrity status than Colleen R - Wayne had more success on the pitch and Colleen R has more of a profile in her own name.

So onto the case... Colleen R accepted Rebekah V to her private Instagram of about 300 ppl and suspected Rebekah V of leaking a number of stories to the press. Colleen R then ran a sting operation by putting fake stories on her Instagram that only Rebekah V could see that were then leaked to the press.

Colleen R then outed Rebekah V in a public post, and the sting operation got Colleen the Wagatha Christie tag. Rebekah V then took the risky step of suing Colleen R for defamation (it wasn’t me, guv, you have no evidence).

Rebekah V was boosted in her claim there was no evidence by a mobile phone dropped in the North Sea, an inaccessible computer and WhatsApp messages that supposedly weren’t available.

It was a judge-only trial, and unlike the US, Colleen R as the maker of the statement had to show it was correct on the balance of probabilities.

The judgment was pretty scathing and one-sided in favour of Colleen R. The judge didn’t think much of Rebekah V as a witness and drew every unfavourable inference possible from the missing evidence. Also, in the UK the winner can claim a lot of their costs from the unsuccessful party.

If you have time, I thoroughly recommend reading the judgment below, and if you want a good podcast try It’s...Wagatha Christie.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Vardy-v-Rooney-Trial-Judgment.pdf

***EDIT*** One parallel between this and the Magnus case is that the judge took some of Rebekah V’s past behaviour in relation to leaking stories into account. The judge did so in a nuanced way as opposed to concluding ‘well you’ve done it before so you must have done it in this case’.
@Onyx_Chess said in #27:
> Then, after an immense amount of pressure from key figures demanding an explanation from him, he finally explained his reasons for suspicions, and added that Hans was not forthcoming and lied about the degree and frequency of his cheating...

How did he do that?

Was this after he had withdrawn but before Niemann had made his admission after his match the following day that he had cheated in the past?

How did Carlsen know anything concrete about Niemann at that stage?

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